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th president's most loyal appointees, attorney general bill barr. >> i have a problem with some of the tweet. to have public statements and tweets made about the department, about people in the department, our men and women here, about cases in the department and about judges before whom we have cases make it impossible for me to do my job. >> facing days of accusations that the justice department under barr caved to political pressure, the attorney general told abc, he supported the prosecution of trump's longtime ally roger stone and was not happy with the sentencing recommendations and had plans to shorten them even before the president's tweets calling them horrible. it seemed stunning to some, but perhaps not to the white house. "the new york times" is
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reporting that the message may have been run by the administration before he delivered it and this morning the president responding for the first time if you guessed it, in a tweet saying, as president, he could intervene in a criminal case if he wanted to but hasn't and this is key, so far. cnn crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz joins me. you've covered the justice department for some time. tell me the view inside the justice department of this, and do they find this criticism from barr sincere, heartfelt? >> there's a real credibility issue inside the department of justice with the attorney general right now. i think any good lawyer, any good person who works for a prosecutor works on investigations should be skeptical of this. look what the president just tweeted this morning. this doesn't change anything. so there is a lot of concern. continued concern within the department of justice whether or not their integrity has been compromised.
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the attorney general last night, when he was talking to abc news, raised that issue about integrity and how thard is for me to do my job. look what happens this morning. what is the attorney general going to do now with the president? and looking at some of the other information, you know, this is him -- the attorney general, i think, felt and we can take a listen at some of what he said here, really felt he needed to address his staff and his troops. and that's really what, i think, the interview was about last night. >> let's have a listen. >> once the tweet occurred, the question is, well, now what do i do? and do you go forward with what you think is the right decision or do you pull back because of the tweet? and that just illustrates how disruptive these tweets can be. >> did you talk to the president at all about your decision? >> never. >> anybody from the white house call you to try to influence you? >> no. nope. >> and that may be the case.
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we don't really know because no one ever talks about the conversations between the president and the attorney general. we can never get any insight know what these kfrgconversatio are about. there's a real problem within the department of justice. >> a mutiny, right? >> four prosecutors who left the case. one resigned, outright resigned from the department of justice. there is concern this could happen in other cases. there are still investigations, there's the michael flynn case that's still -- the sentencing on that case. so it could be that we see other justice officials resign. people are not happy inside the department of justice. >> the attorney general may see he has a real problem with his own staff he has to address. shimon prokupecz, we know you'll stay on the story. joining us from the white house, john harwood. see the reporting this morning that the attorney general telegraphed this comment to the white house in advance. is your sense that there was coordination here, or perhaps that he delivered a warning so
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that the president wasn't caught off guard? >> well, jim, i think shimon was right on two points. one, we don't know, can't know exactly what happened between the white house and the justice department. but second, we have every reason. thus administration has given us every reason to be skeptical about the idea that this was some sort of spontaneous, independent step up by bill barr. when you look at how he handled the mueller report. when you look at how he has sort of set and investigate the investigators process in motion, it is not credible the idea that bill barr himself decided to rebuke the president and stand up for the independence of the justice department. that doesn't seem to pass the test. i think what really happened is we've all made the analogy with respect to the rule of law about the frog in the warm water and the water gets turned up and all
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of a sudden, the frog is dead. well, in this case, i think liberated by acquittal. the president's abruptly turned the water up so hot that the frog jumped out of the water. and that created a problem for barr, a problem for the administration. i think he was trying to cauterize that problem with his remarks yesterday. >> good job extending the metaphor there, john harwood, at the white house. but a fitting one. now with me, jim baker and joseph marino, national security prosecutor. i want to, if i can, because this stuff comes at you so quickly. the president making a claim in a tweet. saying that he has the power to intervene in any case he wants to. the legal right to do so. jim baker, you've been a lawyer for the government. is there any basis to that? >> well, i disagree with the phraseology of the legal right. the president has power and he has duties and responsibilities. as such, the president doesn't have rights.
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that's the wrong way to think about it. the president has the power under the constitution to direct criminal cases. this is true. he could do that. but that's not how it works in the united states because, why? we don't want our political system -- i'm sorry, our judicial system, prosecutorial system infected with politics. that's not what we're about in the united states. that's what happens in other countries. and i think this is one of the things that even the president's supporters need to understand. that the judicial system in the united states and the way that the prosecutions work at the federal level is a jewel. it's really what makes the united states different. it's what -- it is what it makes the united states great and so the protecting that, protecting the integrity of that, keeping politics out of it, is essential for the united states to function the way we do. to make sure people have confidence in what comes out of the results -- that come out of courts. >> makes it great until it doesn't. >> it's a fragile thing in the long run, i'm afraid. >> joseph marino, you have some experience with bill barr. you served in the justice
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department. you saw those comments yesterday. from your point of view, especially given we know in "the new york times" he gave the white house something of a heads-up here. did that strike you as sincere criticism from the attorney general? >> i think he had to make it, but i think it was an important point. just a few days ago, people, including myself, were saying there's a real question here about the independence of the justice department. and whether it succumbed to political pressure. i think he stopped the bleeding. i think he has some credibility problems of his own. take this with a grain of salt. and whether it was choreographed at the white house, perhaps that degrades the value of his statement even further. but i think it was important for him to say. he said the two key things were, you know, one, the president has never asked me to intervene in a case. and, two, i think he did imply that, yes, he -- the president probably could do that. we know bill barr is a fan of executive power. but at the same time, it was an important statement. take it with a grain of salt whether you're on the outside, whether you're on the inside. did it really regain the confidence of the public and of
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the line prosecutors in the doj? unknown. >> jim baker, part of the issue is this is not just about the stone sentencing. and there are folks who think the sentence itself might be at the out range or going too far because you have had the president attempt to intervene in via public comments and elsewhere and barr seeming to line up behind him on a host of cases. you have flynn's team trying to reverse his conviction there. you have durham, the attorney looking into the operations of the intelligence agencies in the run-up to the russian interference investigation here. you have to look at the pattern, do you not? this is a broad pattern. >> yeah, i think it's the pattern. it's how people interpret the pattern and what the president did this week was to go way too far. he went way too far. and so if the attorney general -- >> is this the first time he's gone way too far? he's attacked the justice department, the fbi and individual lawyers and judges, you know, a dozen times. >> yeah, but he -- to me, he
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seemed to go too far with, obviously, i have a significant interest in this having been at the fbi. when he fired jim comey because he -- because comey wouldn't do what he wanted to do with respect to the russia investigation. that seemed to have gone too far. here we are, that situation where i think maybe it's the case that over time people have maybe had enough. and so this was just -- this was just as people said, a bridge too far. and if, in fact, bill barr's statements get the president to stop doing this kind of thing, even if it was precooked with the white house, okay. that's at least a good thing. >> well, his tweet this morning might raise some doubts about that. i want to ask about another issue joseph because we had a remarkable turn around, contradiction from the president on what he did with rudy giuliani. now in the last 24 hours, he has copped to sending rudy giuliani on a political errand in effect to ukraine, having denied that a few weeks ago. let's play his two comments, and then i want to get your reaction. >> rudy giuliani, but he's --
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he's your personal lawyer. giuliani is your personal lawyer. so you didn't direct him to go to ukraine and do anything or put any heat on anyone? >> no, i didn't direct him. >> rudy giuliani, your personal lawyer, are you sorry you did that? >> not at all. >> it's not the first time the president has directly contradicted himself. it recalls to me, you know, the whole stormy daniels thing. no, i did not make that payment. of course, he did. the issue is we're used to seeing the president lie, right? and reverse himself. this was a key plank of the gop defense of him during the impeachment trial. there's no evidence the president directed his attorney general to do this. the president seems to be admitting that. >> i mean, the president should stay so far away from ukraine and rudy giuliani at this point. it's amazing. he dodged such a bullet in this impeachment acquittal. the fact he continues to encourage this activity and the justice department is seemingly
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taking information from rudy giuliani about ukraine. it seems so misguided, so unfortunate. i really wish the president would stop that. look, i'm a former new yorker, i'm a republican. i had a lot of disdain for mayor giuliani but he's been guiding the president down a path that he really should back off. >> you're never a former new yorker. it stays in your blood forever. thanks to both of you. still to come -- 2020 democratic front-runners looking ahead to super tuesday states. who is out front and who is playing catch-up now. also billionaire versus billionaire. michael bloomberg is apparently getting under the president's skin. how is he managing to do that? we'll talk to a top bloomberg adviser ahead. plus, the director for the centers of disease control says the deadly coronavirus will likely be with us well into next year. what to expect as a result, specifically here in the u.s., coming up. a lot will happen in your life.
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as most 2020 democrats zero in on nevada and south carolina, some are starting to look ahead already to super tuesday. senator bernie sanders is hosting three rallies in north carolina, another in texas. big super tuesday states. fellow front-runner pete buttigieg is headed to california. another big delegate haul there. mayor bloomberg got a head start in the super tuesday states. that's been his focus according to a campaign media analysis group. he's nearly $129 million in ads in those states. that's four times more than the rest of the democratic field combined. look at the zeros on the right-hand side of the zeen. alex burns, national political director for "the new york times" and jamie lovegrove for the post and courier in south carolina. thanks to both of you. alex, if i could just, on mike bloomberg's strategy here, in effect, waiting until super tuesday as to where he's going
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after delegates. certainly flooding markets all over the country with television ads. does the math add up there? can you wait until then and be a credible candidate for the nominees as you get to the convention? >> we don't really know, jim. he's trying to do something that no candidate has ever done before and he's obviously doing it with a scale of spending and financial resources that no candidate in history has had. so what we do know right now is that when mike bloomberg got into the race, his advisers had sketched out the theoretical scenario that would let this strategy work in their minds. and that was that joe biden didn't come out of the early states strong and that nobody else came out of the early states as an overwhelming favorite with the kind of momentum that would let them dominate super tuesday. we're only halfway through the early states but right now, that scenario does seem to be panning out. so that's not to say that the bloomberg strategy is going to work. what it is to say is that right now they are getting the
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conditions that they thought it would need in order for them to have a chance at working. >> it's a good point. the first bet has been right. jamie, you're in south carolina. tell me how they feel about bloomberg's decision to focus elsewhere, in effect to skip? >> well, it's interesting because he has been spending vast amounts of his personal fortune on advertising, including just across the border in north carolina. just across the border in georgia. so a lot of those hats have been overflowing into south carolina. a lot of folks who live around the border of south carolina still see them and there have been plenty of voters i've talked to at other candidates events around south carolina who say i'm giving mike bloomberg a look and i have to inform them that he is actually not on the south carolina ballot. so he is making inroads even in a state he's not competing. he has a valuable supporter in south carolina, the columbia mayor steve benjamin who is a
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prominent figure here, an african-american mayor, national cochair on bloomberg's campaign who has been doing several interviews the last few days, you know, defending bloomberg's response to this issue over stop and frisk and talking about how he will approach criminal justice moving forward. >> okay. so let's talk about a couple other candidates where south carolina is key. jamie, just first to you on joe biden. he has long described south carolina as his firewall in part due to his strong african-american support there, but that's been falling. recent quinnipiac poll showed his support dropped more than 20 points since the start of the year. does he have a shot to turn things around in south carolina? >> you know, it's certainly a must-win state. his campaign has been saying that south carolina is a must-win state even before iowa and new hampshire. they were saying this was a must-win state. the question at this point is, is winning even enough? do you have to win by double
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digits to really send a resounding message to the rest of the country that he still has significant support among african-american voters? this is the first state with a really significant african-american population, about two-thirds of the democratic electorate in south carolina is african-american. and he has said, joe biden has said after i win new hampshire that they are not, you know, reflective of the democratic party. the base of the democratic party being african-american voters. so, yes, i would say he's still the favorite at this point but several candidates, bernie sanders, tom steyer, are nipping at his heels, and it is only going to get more competitive over the next couple of weeks here. >> listen, alex, it's true. new hampshire and iowa are not representative of the country, particularly the democratic electorate. they're very white. but another candidate who would have a big test in south carolina is pete buttigieg, who despite his strong finishes in the first two states has not proven his ability to build
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support among african-americans. what are the signs? is he able to change that in that first state that will test that support? >> right. and we will get something of a test in nevada, even before south carolina, where the african-american population is not a majority of the democratic primary electorate the way it is in south carolina. but it's a substantial population there as well. and it's a state with demographics that look a lot like the country as a whole. so biden may want to sort of wait until the very end of the month for a state where african-american voters typically skitypical ly decide the prinear say this is when the rest of the country gets to weigh in. but nevada is coming up sooner. the same is true for all the candidates who did well in the two early states that are overwhelmingly white. someone like mayor buttigieg is going to have to show and he's likely to be able to do it in nevada than in south carolina that he can appeal to people who aren't white folks in northeastern suburbs or in the rural midwest.
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that's obviously not the makeup of the national democratic party's base. >> and that figure in the top right-hand corner of the screen. 1991 delegates get the nomination. we're very early in this race. jamie if you had to put five bucks down, who is going to win south carolina? >> i am not in the prediction game after 2016. but certainly i'll say biden is still the favorite. several other folks are competing hard. you know, one thing i would watch is whether or not jim clyburn decides to get involved. if he makes an endorsement. he's known to be close to biden. his grandson is working on the campaign. if he decides to come off the sidelines after the democratic debate in charleston on the tuesday of primary week, that could have a real big impact on this race right there at the end. >> we'll watch that. alex burns, jamie lovegrove, thank you. join cnn next week for a series of town halls with the 2020 democratic candidates.
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doug hye. good morning. doug, you can see the president got something of a slap on his wrist there, but the president this morning seeming to reaffirm his power, tweeting that he can intervene in any case he wants to. i feel like we've asked this question a billion times. will the president be chastened by this? your answer? >> well, no, of course. and if there's one constant we've seen over the past few years it's that republicans have wanted donald trump to tweet less. we're not used to it coming from the attorney general, but we also know that he doesn't do it. and coming out of impeachment, he didn't get a slap on the wrist. he essentially got a pat on the back. he's unencumbered, liberated and we'll see more of it as we move into 2020. >> jackie, it's not just the tweets and the public comments. it's the applying of pressure with effect, right? the impression being, well, here's roger stone, my ally. i don't like his sentence. do something about it. barr denies this direction came from the president that he was already uncomfortable with the sentence.
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but it's not limited to that. it's the michael flynn case who the president has tried to intervene in for some time. this is a pattern here. >> no, it's true. and that's because he hasn't gotten any pushback. and while this seemed to be that interview yesterday with barr seemed to be more of a face-saving measure than an actual rebuke of the president. now, it's obviously notable that he did go public and that he felt like he needed to. however, this came on the heels of all of these stories that prosecutors are leaving. people inside the doj don't want to be associated with politically charged cases because i don't think he has their back. his actions speak louder than his words in this case. and, you know, the fact the president is back tweeting again tells you all you need to know and you have the chorus of republicans backing up barr, but in a way that -- which again makes me think that the president -- that this was sanctioned behavior by barr. >> or at least a warning flag went up prior.
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in another incident yesterday, doug hye, that shows how much power the president thinks he has, and this is interactions with the new york governor, andrew cuomo, a dispute going on there about access to global entry. but here's -- look at the president saying, he must understand that national security far seeds politics. new york must stop all his unnecessary lawsuits and start cleaning itself up. all lawsuits and harassment. it's a new york attorneys who are prosecuting the president on a number of fronts. is the president telling the governor stop investigating me and maybe we can deal? >> normally i'm all in favor of any politician making godfather references but probably this is not the venue for the president to do so. this is how unencumbered and liberated he is. we're in an election year why his numbers are the highest they've been in an election year, which you wouldn't think following impeachment. and given that impeachment
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wasn't popular throughout the country, democrats can't threaten to do this again. it has to be sorted out by the voters so donald trump is going to do this and continue to. >> here's the thing, it's because we have systems, do we not, that depend on more than the results of election? is the rule of law dependent on what happens in november? that's what you hear constantly on all these questions. >> there haven't been any electoral repercussions or any repercussions for this president. and -- which is why he has so much power because in the senate, in the -- the house, but the congress is not impose anything guard rails on him. that's why it's up to the voters ultimately if they think this is okay. be it the president or the elected officials that are not placing any boundaries on him. >> doug, you're plugged in to, again, we're nine months from folks going to the polls. you talk to candidates, you talk to the party. are republicans feeling
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emboldened in races that this is going to have a positive impact for them? is it mixed? what do republicans feel the picture is going into november? >> it's two pictures right now. one on the presidential level. they feel very, very confident. i would say, though, over the past three years, the number of times i've talked to folks with the trump campaign or superpacs where they say we just won the election last night and it's june of 2017, it's a little early to say that. with the economy where it is, the president's campaign rightly feels that they're in a strong position. especially as the democrats are really trying to struggle to figure out who they are right now. how that's going to affect down ballot races, i don't think we really know yet. >> you never know what's coming around the corner. >> when i was at the rnc in 2010 we picked up 63 seats, won the house. we were not predicting, we didn't think we'd do that in february. we didn't know that until after labor day. >> it's early. we'll settle on that. doug heye, jackie kucinich, thank you.
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the centers for disease control and prevention is preparing for potential widespread outbreak of the coronavirus right here in the u.s. the director of the cdc telling cnn that the coronavirus will likely be around throughout this year. the warning comes as the agency confirms a 15th case of the illness so far here in the u.s. cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins me now. we've been talking about this for some time. where is this virus trending now? is it the deadlier, perhaps less
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transmissible direction like a sars or more an h1n1 direction and, therefore, how serious? >> yeah, well, you know, i think it definitely seems to be trending toward a more transmissible, less lethal sort of scenario, but it's still a very novel virus. it was a fascinating interview talking to dr. robert redfield about what's going on. we're seeing some very aggressive containment policies. some things we haven't seen in 50 years in this country. really wanted to get an idea of the thinking behind this, the strategy. here's what he had to say. >> this is going to, obviously, be a significant -- >> reporter: the cdc confirmed the 15th u.s. coronavirus case, i went inside the agency's emergency operations center with director dr. robert redfield. how good is the public health infrastructure at reporting in? to give you an idea how rapidly the situation is changing. >> the number has changed. >> it's actually 15 there. >> reporter: it's a lot to keep up with.
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what's the worst case scenario here in the united states? >> so far we've been able to contain it. but i think this virus is probably with us beyond this season or beyond this year. and i think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we'll get community-based transmission. and you can start to think of it in the sense like seasonal flu. the only difference is that we don't understand this virus. >> reporter: which is exactly why the cdc wants to be on the ground in china. it's probably redfield's biggest frustration. >> right now there's no evidence to me this outbreak is at all under control. it's definitely not controlled. and the sooner we can help them get this under control the better for the whole world. >> i guess that does raise the question, why we are sitting here in atlanta talking about this versus the cdc being in china collecting some of this data? >> i don't think it's a medical decision that we're not being invited in. >> what do you think it is? >> i think it's above the -- >> you think it's political?
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>> i think it's above the medical. i donts think the director of the cdc is making that? >> you think it's political? >> i think it's above the director of cdc. he'd love to have this assistance. >> reporter: china has accepted help from the world health organization. the cdc is waiting to hear whether it's going to be a part of that team. in the meantime, redfield says his priority is to keep americans safe. >> our whole issue right now is, as i said, aggressive containment to try to give us more time. it's going to take one to two years to get that probably developed and out. to prepare the health systems to be able to be flexible enough to deal with the potential second major cause of respiratory illness. >> i think one of the big points the director was making there was, look, this is a tiny virus. it doesn't respect boundaries or geography or borders. it's going to get into these other countries. so these containment policies are really to buy time.
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to buy time to figure out strategies to deal with this. possibly develop some therapeutics in the form of antivirals and obviously the thing everyone keeps asking about, the possibility of the vaccine. but that takes months, maybe a year to get a vaccine. so that time matters. >> understood. it's good to see folks out ahead of it. dr. sanjay gupta, thanks very much. he's not one of the two front-runners in the race for the democratic nomination, but president trump is sure acting like he is. a senior adviser from the bloomberg campaign on the escalating feud between bloomberg and trump. plus, the world has watched their every move. now cnn presents the story of the world's most famous royal family, the windsors. inside the royal dynasty. it premieres this sunday night only on cnn. your cash is automatically invested at a rate that's at least 20 times more than other advisory firms. personalized advice. unmatched value. at fidelity, you can have both.
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for the first time on the campaign trail, michael bloomberg is apologizing for the new york police department's stop and frisk policy, something he repeatedly defended in the past. have a listen. >> there is one aspect, approach that i deeply regret, the abusive police practice called stop and frisk. i defended it, looking back, for too long because i didn't understand then the unintended pain it was causing to young black and brown families and their kids. i should have acted sooner and faster to stop it. i didn't, and for that, i apologize. >> joining us now is tim o'brien, senior adviser to michael bloomberg's presidential campaign. thanks for taking the time. >> hi, jim. >> i want to ask you, what do you say to people who say, mike
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bloomberg is only apologizing now for stop and frisk and policy he's defended in the past. you're aware of the audio from a 2015 speech. why now, just because he's running for president? >> he didn't just begin apologizing now. last night wasn't the first time he's apologized for this. but i think the timing of the apology -- >> only in recent weeks, though, to be fair. he did go to a church, but that's since his candidacy became an issue. >> mike will always have to apologize for this. it was a mistake. he held onto it for too long. he defended it for too long. and it was deeply damaging and painful to people of color in new york. and i think mike will have to spend the rest of his career, his public career, proving to people that stop and frisk does not represent who he is as a person or a politician. having said that, tstop and frik
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hardly represents the totality of his time as mayor. you know, he lowered the incarceration rate when he was mayor of new york. diversified the nypd, started a model program for integrating young people of color into job networks that barack obama modeled my brother's keeper on. this is a much more complex, compassionate and thoughtful man than that one policy would suggest. i also think it's -- i also think it's interesting that, you know, there's other policy out there that's been very, very brutal for the black community that white politicians of all stripes have embraced like the 1994 crime bill that hasn't gotten the kind of attention this has. and we welcome the attention because we think it opens the door to an important conversation about racial justice and the criminal justice system. and we'll continue talking about it and continue apologizing for it. >> question for you. why has michael bloomberg not sat down for more interviews, face-to-face with reporters, to answer hard questions on this?
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>> mike has been campaigning in 24 states. he's sat down with lots of reporters to talk about this, and it comes up every time everyone else on the campaign does interviews, as it should. i think it's a core question that needs to be addressed. but it's not anything we're dodging, if that's what you're suggesting. >> well, listen, he's always welcome on this network and this broadcast. i want to ask about the money here because michael bloomberg has been spending money, but multiples of what other candidates, except, of course, tom steyer. $350 million so far. that's nearly ten times what bernie sanders, who, of course, is not using, does not have a personal fortune to back that up. is that good for the political process? what does it say to democratic voters if part of the message here is that we're the party of the small man and woman. when you have a billionaire using resources that only a billionaire can use? >> well, jim, you tell me.
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what's the right price to save democracy from donald trump right now? if you come up with that figure and you let me know. the reality right now is the dnc has about $8 million in the bank. donald trump and the rnc have $180 million and this fortune he's pouring into this campaign at the service of the party, or whoever the nominee is ultimately, even if it is not him, the reality here is -- >> you're saying he will spofrt spofr support with his fortune whoever the democratic nominee is even if it is not himself in. >> we said that multiple times. if you can buy an election, tom steyer wouldn't still be polling at 1% or 2%. mike bloomberg is polling well
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because we're on the ground, talking to people in different communities about the problems that need to be solved. he's on the ground himself. people see us in multiple forums. this is a very robust campaign that isn't only ad driven. if it was only ad driven, he wouldn't be moving up in the polls. >> final question if i can, he is waiting to formally compete until the super tuesday states. help explain the math to us in terms of the delegates and part of the plan in effect a contested convention, to get to the convention with enough to be a contender, but unlikely to have the necessary number of delegates to be the nominee at that point? >> no, the plan from the very beginning, jim, was that this is a clearly splintered field, voters are fielding it, they want a candidate that can beat donald trump in november, they want a pragmatic progressive who cares about everything that bernie sanders cares about. but he wants the math to add up. they want a candidate who can unify the disparate parts of the democratic party and bring this
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battle to donald trump's doorstep that logic never changed. it has become much more apparent to voters after iowa and the way the field is still splintered that mike bloomberg is someone who can unify the party. that's been the logic of it. we expect to get to the convention in very strong shape, it was never built on the idea that there would be a brokered convention. mike is a great candidate. >> as you're aware, michael bloomberg has attracted the attention of president trump and you've seen that in tweets of course, michael bloomberg has swung back. is that public feud good for the democrats in this race? >> we're not going to -- we're not feuding with other democrats. we have not had a bad word to say about any of our competers in the democratic field. donald trump, as you know, begins his workday at 11:00 a.m. and during the three hours he works, he appears to spend about two hours of it tweeting at mike bloomberg and thinking about mike bloomberg. we're more than happy to go toe to toe and tweet for tweet with
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donald trump if he wants to opportunity oval office into romper room. but we're also focused on the policy issues that voters care about. >> tim o'brien, appreciate having you on the broadcast. just to reiterate, candidate bloomberg welcome on this network at any time. >> thank you for that, jim. another story we're foll following, and prepare yourself for this, it is gut wrenching, innocent people are running out of places to take shelter as the humanitarian crisis worsens along the syria/turkey border. a helicopter was shot down within the last few hours as turkish troops continue to clash with russian-backed syrian forces in the region. u.n. says some 800,000 civilians have fled idlib and western aleppo since december as a result of the violence. our senior international correspondent arwa damon, she's in the midst of it. she has been all day, from northwest syria. the only western journalist in the region right now. arwa, the pictures, the images you're showing us from there moving, heart breaking, tell us about the situation on the
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ground. >> reporter: you know, jim, a lot of the times people don't know where to go. the road that we're on actually leads up to one of the main camps here. but it is completely full and even there people don't feel safe. we just met this family, they arrived a few days ago, but they're thinking about moving again. and we have been talking to suad here, it is her family. i'm going to translate for you what happens when i ask her how she's feeling because she's so emotional. they don't have any options. we can only thank god. we can only thank god to keep us patient. she has actually been watching the traffic going by on this highway, because quite often it will get clogged with trucks piled high with people with their belongings. this is the family that has come out, this is her son.
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he says no, we're not safe here at all. because there's been so much bombing in these areas. we would have stayed in our area, but we couldn't and then we ended up having to leave. if we can leave from here, we would leave from here. the kids are freezing. temperatures are unbearable. you can now see some more trucks. the vehicles coming by. people packing their stuff up. some of them say that they would rather be dead than end up having to be like this. that's a van full, families crammed inside it. oftentimes when the bombings happen, jim, entire villages empty out and then the men will go back and try to salvage whatever they can. as this family has been standing
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here, watching this traffic going by, all day, you begin to get a little bit of a sense of just how painful this is, jim, on so many levels. there is the fear of the bombing, the fear of the regime coming in. everyone is convinced that the army reaches them, they will be massacre. there is the fear of children dying from the cold. that has been happening as well. there is no way for them to run away from it. >> listen, they're running for their lives. arwa damon, good to have you there. be safe. an important story. we'll be right back. copd makes it hard to breathe so to breathe better i started once-daily anoro. ♪go your own way copd tries to say go this way i say i'll go my own way with anoro. ♪go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. do not use anoro if you have asthma. anoro won't replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms
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